I'd be disappointed if that's all there was to it. They made a big deal about aaron early on when Claire went to see the psychic. Made us think there would be something special about aaron -- kinda like with Walt.

I haven't been binging on Lost seasons, but I think that the necklace belongs to Kate's prospective mother in-law? And she feels guilty about the whole thing and leaves the gifted necklace behind.

I can't quite explain why, but I feel like I'm looking down the barrel of the disappointment shotgun. I really don't know how they are going to tie up most (they can't possibly do all) of the loose ends. They would have to have an entire episode that's pretty much Q&A (think Matrix 2 where he talks to the controller) to get everything straightened out.

I have this terrible feeling that the last scene of the series is going to have all of the survivors of flight 815 in some giant hospital/lab where all of these things scenarios are just playing out in their subconscious minds as a giant destiny/morality experiment conducted by the Dharma Initiative.

/frustrated

Well, Aaron could be a prospective next gen leader and that's why Ethan is there to get him. I don't think they wanted him because of the mothers dying thing since Claire didn't get pregnant on the island, right?

I'll have to rewatch the episode where Kate gets married - you're probably right and that was the step-mother, but she was def. on the run and had killed her stepfather already.

I'll be VERY suprised if Sayid is Jacob incarnate. That just doesn't make sense to me, but I guess it could end up being some huge twist. Its all a bit too confusing with how the temple others seem to be aligned with Jacob and want to protect the Oceanic-6 yet the smoke monster lives underneath the temple. The biggest part that I don't get is how they said if Sayid were to die they'd be in big trouble and they failed to save him so how could that be Jacob if the whole reason they tried to save Sayid was because Jacob said to? Only thing I can really see is that Sayid didn't really die, but I guess if he DID die it must be either A) An underling or part of the smoke monster B) Jacob C) something the infection does to recently deceased people D) something yet to be revealed. Ben said to Sun that dead is dead when she asked about Locke being alive so no way Sayid is still in there somewhere if he did actually die. blah blah blah

And yeah I kinda have the same hunch DQ that everyone will be very pissed at the end

I don't think its that the Oceanic 815 weren't supposed to leave, just specifically the Oceanic-6 weren't supposed to leave. I suspect a big part of the storyline will have to do with Aaron needing to return to the island and maybe he saves claire.

Still think this whole thing has to do with the war between Jacob (white/free will) and the man in black[MIB]/smokey (black/fate) and with our main characters stuck right in the middle of their war.

We've kinda already seen chars take sides, with Locke relenting to his fate that he was supposed to be dead and having MIB take over his body. I'm guessing Jack would be on Jacobs side with how he is now that things can change if he does something like blow up a bomb.

I'm also bit confused with the recent events of Sayid like Nuch. Why would Jacob send Hurley and his guitar case with a note in it to revive Sayid only to have him come back "infected"? I'm do think the temple people are on Jacobs side because their bound to the whole choice thing as they can't kill Sayid without him choosing to eat the poison pill. Strange that Smokey lived there as well though..doesn't add up.

In any case will be interesting to see who our losties end up helping, could vary by character. My theory still goes on that these characters are all variables and pieces in the game their playing and we're going to see who wins by the end of this show which will explain why all the chars were brought there in the first place.

At first I thought Sayid would be Jacob, but I don't think so anymore.

My theory: the smoke monster/man in black is Aaron. Jacob is the child of some of the other characters on the show, possibly jack and kate? Their remaining on the island turns into them having a child, being Jacob. For some reason, somehow the world ends in the not so distant future, but the island is not destroyed, because it exists slightly outside of time, or like, right as everything is destroyed, the island is sent back into time, as sort of a "life boat". As we have learned before, for whatever reason that i can't remember, the farther you travel from the future or whatever, the less you age (something like that). Richard is a good example. Having been on the island for so long, and existing so fucked up from his original time, he hasn't aged. Jacob and Smokey (aaron maybe?) are from basically the end of time, but are "rewound" hundreds, if not thousands of years into their past, making they literally immortal (being so far from their own time, and unable to die for whatever reasoning the show uses). Their original point in doing this? Manipulate things through time to hopefully prevent whatever future calamity. Remember when they were watching the BlackRock coming a shore? Something like "here they come, blah blah, they always bring trouble, blah blah" and Jacob says something about progress being better than the end or something (fuzzy memory on the exact quote). Jacob and Smokey may have had to live this over and over attempting to fix the end of time event, but failing. Smokey is sick of it though, and is tired of this endless cycle. I don't know, I am probably talking out of my ass.

"It only ends once, everything else is just progress" something like that Rufus

I have no idea who Jacob and Smokey are, but the idea that they have been here before etc etc seems to keep coming up. Except this time Jacob died.

I've always wondered if they were ever going to explain Walt, remember how he kind of appeared places and then was gone, I think that was more some sort of special ability not just the Other's ability to disappear unseen.

Also, Nuch, the DI keeps sending care packages because of the Swan, that guy that Desmond took over for was a part of the DI. They knew that they had to keep doing that or something bad would happen. Also, don't they mention somewhere why it wasn't automated?

See I kinda understand that line of thought Onion, but what I don't understand about that is then why did Desmonde NEVER exit the Swan and notice that there's all these new people on the island? They were there for something like 50 days I think before finding the Swan hatch and in all that time Desmonde never left the Swan at all and we know he's left before from the flashbacks with that other dude that was always leaving and made Desmonde stay behind.

I'm somewhat in the same line of thought that you are rufus, but I don't buy that the smoke monster is Aaron, but who knows could end up being right. I think Aaron might be the one who can kill the smoke monster, though. It seems to me that Jacob continually "brings" people to the island (the black rock, the french people with Russou, Oceanic 815) in an attempt to stop history from repeating itself. Which implies the island itself is caught in a time loop and Jacob/Smoke are the only constants on the islands. Its almost like a chess game that they're playing out over and over in attempt to find a way to stop it, which the smoke monster has finally figured out. My guess is that the chain of events he's started will cause the end of the world like you said, though.

What I"d like to know is if the smoke monster can leave the island like Jacob can. I don't think he can. I'm really not sure on all of this, but if I HAD to make a guess, its that Jacob really is watching over and protecting the island and the others have been the real good guys all along doing whatever it took to protect the island. Now the smoke monster has found away to circumvent Jacob's protection and will cause w/e destruction etc.

This is all a little hard to put into words so its all long and convoluted and I'm too lazy to make it nice and coherent.

I don't think that it was actually Walt, but as always they could go that way. There's a lot of times people show up that shouldn't be there like Walt does (Christian for example). I think that's one of the only things the smoke monster can do to manipulate people, but then again it could be Jacob as well.

just got home from the bar...grain of salt...

It's pretty clear to me that Smokey can take the form and act as people who arrive on the island dead. The first I remember is Echo's brother who landed dead on the island fucking with Echo. Next we see Christian, who also landed dead and finally we see the, "loop hole," when he uses Locke to convince Ben to kill Jacob. This leads me to believe that in a future episode Hugo will see the smoke monster for what he is (since he really does 6th sense it) when Smokey is trying to trick the losties. I'm sure this is where the fat boy dies.

Another interesting thought is something that I saw on one of the recap shows that has the little blurbs that pop out on the bottom of the screen. In this version of last season's finale they make a big deal that Jacob touches some of the survivors (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke for sure) their flashbacks. They pointed out this touching multiple times. Lost is Lost, but this touch really seems to me like some type of future protection against Smokey, I bet we see Locke/Smokey unable to attack those that were touched. A past episode example of this would be in the episode where Echo died Smokey then turned on Locke, but mysteriously didn't fuck with him.

I can't really agree with all the Aaron/Walt back-stories playing in to the show's conclusion. It just fits in with my, "can't tie it all together," theory. The writers are in over their collective head's now and can't finish THIS seasons story lines much-less the entire series'.

I'm spent.

Eh, I guess Jacob could have put some protection on them, but I'd have to say it isn't against smokey, but more likely just from dying before they could help him protect the island from smokey. Also, the temple others said a couple times that they needed to stay in the temple and trust them because they would protect them.

I think a better answer for why smokey killed Echo and not Locke is that smokey knew he needed Locke to kill Jacob later. He only killed the people he needed to in order to get the losties on the right "destiny"

I definitely hope this isn't a BSG ending though. They CLAIM they have had the show written since the begining, unlike BSG which was cut early. I hope their isn't this really rapid explaination in a few episodes where all the characters basically just spell everything out. I have faith it will be better than that, but god damn, get the ball moving, this is not the time to start new shit. WRAP IT UP B!

Interesting idea. Seems to be true so far. Does that mean we could also see Smokey take the form of Jacob, now that he's dead? Is it possible that the Jacob that appeared to Hurley telling him to take Sayid to the temple was actually Smokey incognito? I don't necessarily think that's the case, but it would be an interesting twist.

Agreed. I expect there will be a lot of minor loose ends we won't see wrapped up. Apparently Damon and Carlton have even said they have no current plans on bringing Walt back in the final season. They could still address that story arc without him though, I suppose.

you guys are crazy

Is Christian actually dead? I don't think they've ever really shown him dead in a flashback before have they? From what I remember all the flashbacks are only Jack referencing that his father died in Australia and the last thing I remember from the flashbacks where Christian was alive was him getting out of the car with someone I can't remember who that he met at a bar or something and had come with him for protection or something I can't really remember.

In the flashes where the plan lands they said his father was never loaded onto the plane and they have no idea where the body is - is that something new in this timeline where they never went to the island or was it like that from the start? I'm fairly certain his coffin was never found in the original wreckage.

The only thing I don't buy about smokey taking over dead bodies is that if he can do it to anyone, why are there two Lockes and not two Christians etc

I can't remember when this was, but I have a memory of Jack going to a morgue or some place and identifying Christian's body. They actually showed Christian's dead body.

That's new to that timeline. Early on, maybe S1 or S2, they find his coffin on the island. When Jack opens it up, it was empty. So it was definitely loaded on the plane in the original timeline. Hence why they take Locke's body on the Ajira flight during their return to the island.

Are we sure the Christian images were Smokey in disguise? I'm still not sure which side Christian is supposed to be on. I kinda thought he was somehow a good guy, working with Jacob. I have to believe the show will end with some kind of reconciliation between Jack and his father, and I don't see that happening if Christian is a bad guy.

I hope this means Daniel Faraday comes back as a bad guy.

That's what I mean Asano, I don't think anyone other than Locke was taken over by Smokey.

Uhhhhh, why would smokey even want to take over Christian's body? The whole reason he took over Locke was because the others trusted Locke. Also, maybe he can't PHYSICALLY (but can allusively) take over Christian's body because Locke is deeply related to the island (became the others leaders, visited the temple, etc.). The latter is less likely. STUPID ONION

Really, the whole reason he took on Locke was to manipulate Ben to kill Jacob. (that's the loop hole smokey talks about when you see him talking to jacob in the 18th century--when the boat is coming). I don't think Ben would listen to Christian.

Once again, Onion--YOU STUPID NOOB.

We should probably play that game I made you buy, fyi.

I just said that I didn't think Smokey took over anyone's body but Locke due to the fact that there haven't been any corpses found with someone alive and walking about, wtf are you blabbering about?

stupid THEEREe

Christian is dead pre-flight 815. Echo's brother was dead before coming to the island. Thus the theory is that the smoke moster can act as those that we're dead before coming to the island....like Locke. Not all of the other 100 people that died on the island.

Who knows why smokey would appear as Christian to convince Claire to do things. We've seen Claire fo 5 mins in like 20 episodes. I bet it all plays out.

Christian didn't just appear to Claire if I remember correctly. I sort of figured he took on the Christian form in order to provide some tangible proof of Jacob and a supernatural presence on the island. Without the form of Christian I don't think John becomes as fanatical as he does, changing the plot line completely.

still kinda of a softball episode.

Obvious stuff: the kid=jacob, that horrible scale metaphor, the numbers thing was a little forced

Other things: Kate is not on that list, so i don't know her deal. Did he touch kate as a girl (obvious joke here).

was kate actually not on the list or did they just not show her?

he said something like 5 canidates or whatever and then read the names off. I did find it interesting that he said he didnt know if it was jin or son. Wonder who dies.

gunna be interesting to see if or how smokey gets off the island and what would happen if he does.

I don't remember if Jacob ever touched Kate, but didn't he visit her like the others - they showed her as a kid in some store stealing a lunchbox and she gets caught and doesn't Jacob offer to pay for it so the store owner wouldn't call the cops? Or maybe that wasn't Jacob but I think it was. Maybe when he said 5 candidates he was already not counting Locke since he's dead.

I feel like they keep adding more questions than answering them - especially with the timeline where the plane didn't crash and Ben being a teacher at the school Locke was subbing at.

Maybe Smokey has to sacrifice Sawyer somehow in order to leave the island? The kid, little-Jacob(?), pointed out to Smokey that he couldn't kill him. I wonder if it was supposed to just be funny or if it meant something when Smokey got all pissed off saying "don't tell me what I can't do" just like Locke.

Maybe I missed or something or I'm not seeing the obvious but what were the numbers next to their names on the wall?

you're right about kate nuch.

the other timeline is to show how their lives are connected even without the island. If the bomb blew up then ben would of never stayed on the island so he now lives a normal life as an asshole teacher.

the kid could be a neutral in the battle between jacob and smokey? and now that jacob's maybe dead smokey feels hes won, hence him throwing the white stone out to sea.


I'm guessing jacob touched everyone on 815 at some point in their lives and as he did he just simply numbered them in order of when he did, but I didn't pay close attention to the number in relationship to the age of when they were touched.

Theory about the "caretaker candidates." Maybe Smokey needs one to either come with him, or as Nuch said, be sacrificed in order for him to leave. Maybe if he leaves, the island somehow ceases to exist, it would explain his disdain for Jacob, perhaps the true caretaker has to allow him to leave, and Jacob didn't let him go.

I don't get why that chick on the beach, (Ilena, Alana? w/e), said Smokey is recruiting, that throws a wrench in the whole killing Sawyer thing if he's recruiting.

What's with the abundance of ash? If some was just created by Jacob burning, where did the other ash come from? Suggests that either Jacob has died before and burned and that's where it's from, or it's from previous caretakers being burned and just built up over time or something.

That little kid is weird, I can't help but keep going back in my head to wondering where all of the Egyptian hieroglyphics tie in to the whole story. Maybe they're lower gods that were cursed to walk the earth and trapped on the island to protect man? But this kind of shatters the possibility of multiple caretakers, if Jacob was some sort of a god.

I'm not sure what the little kid meant you can't kill "him." Maybe he meant Richard? Seems more like he meant Sawyer though.

Oh and I couldn't help but laugh my ass off when I heard Ben bitching about the coffee in the teacher's lounge.

More important than anything, it seems like Richard knows exactly what's going on. As if he either was warned about such things by Jacob, or he has experienced the chain of events before.

Also, you all need to watch this clip from The Soup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJvaQuCh5c

All good questions, Nuch and Onion. I'm really surprised they're moving so slowly with the story. Seems like they have a lot to wrap up, and all they're really doing is creating more questions each episode.

The parallel timeline: there has to be more to it then simply showing us a "what if" scenario. I mean, who cares? It has to have some deeper meaning, or some kind of connection to what's currently going on on the island.

I was really perplexed when Locke shouted at boy-Jacob, "don't tell me what I can't do!" That was a very Locke-like thing to say -- not Smokey at all. Why would he say that? They played it up all episode long in the alternate timeline too, so I have to imagine there's something important there. Has there always been some long-standing connection between Smokey and Locke? They almost make it seem like Locke and Smokey are the same person -- always have been. I can't quite fit all the pieces together, but there's something there.

Nuch--The numbers are apart of an equation that dictates when the world is going to end. They were also the numbers that showed up when the button needed to be pressed at the Swan?(forgot what station it was). How they are tied to the electromagnetic field that the swan was holding down, I have no idea. Maybe it's just some crazy physics and math beyond our comprehension (so to say). Smokey said that Jacob had a thing with numbers.

*The information on the numbers was from some Lost video game.
-Dharma went to the Island in hope to manipulate the numbers and let the world last longer.

Yeah, I don't know why Smokey is starting to say the shit Locke says. That one annoying latino chick (she reminds me of Sly) said that he's stuck as Locke. Maybe him being "stuck" to Locke's form is causing an assimilation to not only Locke's physical form, but mental (because usually he switches forms quickly and doesn't stay to a single one). I guess the question is--why is he stuck in Locke's form? It can't be a hard one if that annoying latino bitch-sly chick figured it out so easily. I mean who the HELL DOES SHE THINK SHE IS? She's nobody. I must be missing something.

Asano - I think your question about Locke/Smokey might be due to Locke being the one person that didn't want to leave the island cause of how pathetic his life was off the island. Maybe that makes him the best candidate or was since he's dead now. I still can't seem to fit many of the pieces together for this really still due to Smokey wanting to leave the island and Locke wanting to stay. So the similarities are there but what they both want/wanted seem backwards to me inless Smokey wanted to use Locke to put him in his position as his candidate for "position black" so Smokey can leave the island? So now that Smokey is recuiting instead of out right killing them all "currently" is so he is using them just to free himself since that's all that he seems to want now? So Jacob was recuiting to replace "position white" and now Smokey is recuiting for "position black"? I know i might be alittle to far gone on this and there might just be "one position" but yeah i'm just gonna throw it out there anyway. Since Smokey's agenda just seems to be to free himself primarily.

I was wondering about this too. Maybe he's not allowed to kill caretakers or/and candidates? Cause he obviously can kill people on the island. The others are always hiding from him. The others are always looking for some form of leader too. Which makes me wonder why since they have/had Jacob till he died. But they have been always looking for a new leader it seems for so long, when they got Ben as a kid. They got rid of Whitmoore. When Locke made his move they got rid of Ben. Richard just seems to blindly follow Jacob to find a new leader/Candidate.

Not sure but i also wonder how Smokey isn't a man anymore but once was at one point. I thought that it was said that there is nothing supernatural going on. I see that has gone out the window cause yeah the whole egyptian/smokey thing that has always been around along with Jacob and everything else.

I believe i didn't see her name on the wall. Not sure if she's on the list. Since she is part of the flight she must be.

Obviously the space time continuum stops.

I think it's that Smokey thinks Jacob/or the Kid/the island can't keep him on the island now since he is recuiting now instead of just killing people cause Jacob is dead. Also that he doesn't seem to need to follow "the rules" as he said to the kid.

Makes sense. I was wondering about the numbers and how they tied into the button pushing and the station. I never played the game.

Dumb, but i'm saying it anyway. How is Sawyer gonna climb out of that hole since the latter broke? Guess he's stuck forever. Why does Smokey not just smoke form instead of climb down is what i'm wondering. Btw the first person mode for the smoke monster is cool.

haha yoox, i actually thought the same thing about leaving that cave. Here is something I have been thinking about. I am thinking that this "alternative reality" is not happening in parallel to the show but maybe its BECAUSE of the show? that make sense? It seems like that is a better place for everyone on the island. Locke may be in the chair still, but he has a fiance that seems to love him, and he seems overall at better peace with his handicap. Hurley is much better off, charlie atleast isn't dead. Jack doesn't seem like an alchoholic. Maybe jin and son kill that idea, but i dunno. Anyway, that seems like it might be a more idealic world, but maybe the events on the island LET that place happen. Maybe jacob and smokey somehow exist between the realities. So all the bad stuff on the island allow for the existance of the good stuff. We'll see, they need to get some of this shit going.

Meh, that "jacob has a thing for numbers" seemed like a total cop-out to explaining the numbers. If their explaination for the numbers is that each one represents a character, thats pretty weak, and seems a little shoe-horned in.