What the fuck man...we know everything

Its science

Yeah I really like JJ Abrams but I'm starting to get the feeling like the writers are just shitting all over Lost because they started way too many plot lines they can't tie together.

Wasn't that sweet. So out of all the people that go bad Ben becomes good and lives. I like how they decided not to just kill him after all. I almost shed a tear.

So Kate is offically a badie. Ben is offically good. Jack can stop dynamite with his mind. Richard can't die less someone kills him, he also has secrets that he still won't shed light on. Nine episodes left I really would like to know more about Richard, anyone else get really nervous tonight when we thought that Jack was just going to kill him and we would never know "the Richard secrets"? Or was that just me?

This whole theme of Jacob being god, Jack being jesus, smokey being satan, etc is really starting to show. Notice the "good guys" back on the beach? Is that surpose to be the "test spot", the non cheating spot with no refrigerators and houses that will eventually lead them to salvation?

Charles Widmore has finally found the island again, interesting.

The egyptian symbol that had the secret passage way was "shen" meaning to protect. I wonder if they will do more with the whole egyptian hieroglyphics part of the show than just this.

Cause i like hieroglyphics.

http://www.bl.uk/learning/images/why...lyphics-lg.jpg

Don't forget yoox, we learned officially that by touching someone, Jacob allows them to live forever. He gives life, smokey takes it, blah blah blah.

What makes you say that?

Nothing else to say =\ pretty disappointed!

Before each new episode, they replay last week's episode with popups. In tonight's "recap" episode, they specifically said Kate joined Locke.

You were really disappointed with tonight's episode? Man, I thought it was great! Definitely the best episode yet this season. Got some answers on a bunch of things. I thought the moment between Ben and the chick at the end was really great. And in the alternate timeline, when Ben's father said that they had already gone to the island but left! And is it just me, or did Alex get hot? And the moment between Richard and Jack during the dynamite showdown! Jack's purpose is finally becoming clear to him. And Widmoore! Everything is finally coming together, and getting good!

I haven't fully digested everything from tonight's episode, but I think tonight was a turning point. We're gonna be in for a good ride from here on out.

"This is the first time Kate has seen the "ressurected" John Locke and she knows Locke is on the wrong side" is the last said in the recap episode. That makes me think that she hasn't actually joined them, but they do also say "Now Locke has acquired the remaining Others, Sayid, Claire, and Kate" which is conflicting, right?

I dunno, the episode was good as a stand-alone episode for all the reasons you listed, I just expect more to happen in these last 10 episodes. I remember watching tonight's episode and fast-forwarding through some commercials and noticing I was 45 min into the episode and wondering "what the fuck, nothing big has happened".

I agree that things are looking up and getting good, but that's the same feeling I had after the last episode, "Sundown", and thinking this one with Ben would be amazingly good. So I dunno, just feels like getting setup for mediocrity once again.

My own personal highlight for this episode was due to myself. In one of the last scenes when Jack, Richard, and Hurley arrive at the beach and Sun runs towards Hurley I just thought to myself "wouldn't it be awesome if this is where they answer the questions of which Kwan is the candidate because Hurley's fatass trips and falls and crushes Sun to death". But maybe that's just me...

Would like an answer to why Richard gets to live forever and why the others don't. But yeah it's Jacob putting people on "the path" and when their faith diminishes he seems to leave them hanging(straight out of the bible). To the point that he is dead now cause of it. On another note, Jack seems to be the new Locke in terms of believing(and of course the stoping the dynomite with his brain power). Which makes me remember how Locke tryed to convince everyone about the island(to come back to it too).

One other thing about Richard notice he said he wasn't time traveling to Hurley in the episode. Not that it means anything just yet, throwing that out there for future reference.

I liked how when the crew walked up on the beach Hurley is so big that he eclipsed Richard till the last moment. I can't help but to get the song "the boys are back in town" in my head everytime they do the strolling onto the beach part and start hugging.

So the good guys seem to be set now and the bad guys. Is the Charles crew gonna be a third party? Seems like now the table is set and a clash is gonna happen or something else.

LOL, dude, he didn't stop it with his "brain power". =P The idea is that some force beyond their control (fate, nature, god, whatever) won't allow events to transpire that would result in their death. Jack doesn't have superpowers. Ever see Final Destination, the movie where no matter what the kids try and do, death always finds them? It's like that, but in reverse. No matter what Jack and Richard try and do, they'll always escape death.

I think it was a reference to the fact that Richard didn't age since the last time (in the 70s?) Hurley and crew saw him. I don't recall exactly when they last met, but Hurley said something like "you haven't aged" after that line.

Seriously, how many times have they shot that scene? It's like the iconic scene for this show. Did you notice the music playing when Jack and Hurley set off for the temple, just before they met Richard? It was some comical bass/percussion piece you'd expect to hear while watching elephants travel or something. I was cracking up.

It sounded like from the Lighthouse episode that Jacob wanted Charles to find the island, so I'm guessing he's a "good guy", but I'm not quite sure yet what that means exactly. Until we find out what the purpose and true nature of the island, Jacob, and Smokey are, it's hard to say.

On another note, Locke told Ben that they were headed to the Hydra station. Do we have any idea why they'd be heading there?

I kinda of agree with asano, I thought it was a decent episode. Moving in the right direction atleast. When Richard came running out of the woods I definitely thought of you yoox. Got a little bit of insight. Originally I thought Richard wasn't aging because of time travel stuff stated on th show, but it appears to be different. I agree that the ben scene at the end was really good and I too felt that hurley looked like a baby elephant let loose on the beach. I think widmoore was not a suprise at all, and perhaps we'll see the Locke camp and Jacob camp have to collectively deal with him.

I agree asano and definitely made a comment to Melissa about it. The slow-mo reunion with the orchestra in the background is like their "go to" montage.

I don't remember the exact line, but Jack asked Richard if he had "ever been here before" when Richard appeared in the woods and told Jack and Hurley to follow him to the temple, but instead took them to the Black Rock. Richard's response was that he had been there before, but hadn't come back since. Sounds like they confirmed that Richard came to the island on the Black Rock, and he hasn't aged since due to Jacob's touch.

Either it's because Jacob chose to give that "gift" to Richard specifically so he could play his role as a kind of wise and knowledgeable adviser to the Others or everyone else does get to live forever just like him and it just hasn't been long enough for us to be able to tell if they've aged at all. Remember, Richard isn't eternal, he just can't kill himself. I'm not 100% sure, but fairly sure, that no one that Jacob has touched has committed suicide which is the only thing keeping Richard from dying - someone else can kill him so it wouldn't mean he's special.

Locke keeps talking about leaving the Island for good, that's why he came to Ben and offered him the job as the island's protector. Maybe he has someway off the island - didn't Ben tell Miles that he could get off the island and get him 3 million? So maybe there's another sub that Ben and Smokey know about? Or maybe Smokey plans on taking Widmore's? In any case I'd say Whidmore is there to stop Smokey from leaving.

What will be interesting to see is if Whidmore is the only notable person on that submarine.

Of course lol. That was surpose to be a joke. Hard to tell sometimes tho when Jack closes his eyes and thinks so hard his face turns red hah.

Rofl

No, but it's a good question. I was wondering what significance the hydra station did for the bad guys too. Cept leaving the island.

I want to know why Jacob gave Richard the power of not aging, why not give it to the others?

Yeah I think he was a prisoner on the ship.

Yeah it's good reasoning as the advisor role. I just wonder why he choose him. He does fit the role well, he just always seems like he has a much bigger purpose.

I think Widmoore is there to stop him. He seems like he has other motives as well. He did want control of the island back from Ben before leaving, and has tryed to return since. But he did say that a war was coming, here it is the good vs evil.

for the record asano, alex got wicked hot.

I'm not saying she looks like the Hamburgler, but on the "Hollywood hot" scale she's middle of the road at best. Getting her teeth fixed helped.

I don't know what made me think of this, but are there names on Jacob's list that we're on the Oceanic flight and were among the season 1 prople kidnapped off the beach? Like the stewardess chick?
I guess I'm just assuming that everyone who survived the crash was on Jacob's lighthouse wheel. This leads me to wonder about the distinction between the two camps.

Ya know, I've been thinking about that too. Ever since they showed the stewardess with the others (we first saw her at the Hydra station, and now with the temple others), I've been wondering what was up there. I can't think of anyone else like that. IIRC, they mostly kidnapped children from the crash survivors.

Rex,
Alex is hot, stfu, who cares about hollywood scale!

Totally called Richard being a prisoner on the Black Rock

Jacob may give people gifts when he touches them, but they may not all be the same.

Nuch, Hurley crushing Sun made me laugh so fucking hard omg thanks for that.

Sigh, again, more needs to happen. But I think my Aaron=smoke monster theory gained credibility. I will impatiently wait for the Richard episode next week.

What aggravates me the most is the same thing that made me stop watching Lost after season 1 and not pick it back up until season 6 - Most of the episode is a bunch of stuff that you have no idea where they're going with it and it just feels like individual episodes that don't really connect together and may as well be from different shows altogether.

For the past couple episodes, the majority of the episode is from the alternate timeline that we have no idea what the importance of it all is, what the fuck it has to do with what all else is going on, and it just feels like a bunch of filler bullshit that isn't very interesting.

Next episode should be (fingers crossed) pretty good.

Gonna go ahead and guess that smokey killed those people on hydra island, and whatever is in the locked room on the sub is something that they can use to either kill him or take his power somehow.

Very empty show, felt like it was 20 mins long.

I'm starting to get the feeling that the alternate realty is just there to show that all of those people are still connected even without the island existing after they detonated the bomb. Seems like a really stupid reason to have it play such a big part though, but then again we are talking about one of the most convoluted shows in the history of television.

So far in the alternate realty we've been seeing small interactions between certain characters, but Sawyer catching Kate may start to tie them all together, we'll see.

Would be crazy if Claire is smokey's mom. He slapped his mom!

Next episode better be good with all the build up for Richard all this time, but sadly i don't think it will cause of to much hyping it up.

Seems like smokey is just gonna get past the next pylons and finish off the Widmoore crew and him at some point.

Another possibility i'll throw out there, maybe another major factor will happen on the island that will make the alternative reality stay the real one and the island reality will cease to exist. Remember the first episode where the island was underwater? Maybe smokey wins and gets the people off the island. Maybe none of the candidates become the new Jacob. Yeah yeah i know this will most likely not happen.

Yep, another boring episode. =/ I can't believe with all the loose ends they have left to wrap up that they can afford to waste so much time. Next week's episode does look fantastic, but I've been burned by the hyped up previews that turn out to be a big let down too many times, so I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

That's why I never watch the previews.

smokey could of killed the people on hydra island but so could of whitmore which is why smokey sent sawyer there to find out because both smokey and jacob knew he was coming to the island? I dunno it's been awhile since I watched it and I've got a 6 hr delay in DIA so I'm bored.

Wtf you could have called me and we could have hung out for like 4 hours you faggot

Like I'd want to see your fagmo face anyways




actually I tried the number I had in my phone for you and it was some arabian chick that answered

alright so I got the whole rest of the season mapped out and all from this episode you guys said meant nothing

I'm a little high and a little drunk and extremely exhausted but it makes perfect sense in my head so just hear me out

A] smokey didn't kill the people on hydra because he can't pass OVER water only under. hence why there was never pylons set up on hydra before and why the others' sub was always in the pyloned area. and why they whidmore is only setting up pylons around the sub and not really anywhere else.

B] Whidmore is trying to kill everyone and anyone that specifically crashed on the island because they could all be a potential candidate and he knows that jacob is dead so he can't select any new candidates. Whidmore wants both jacob and smokey dead after all the candidate are dead or gone so he can be supreme deity or what have you of the island. Whidmore knows that there is another "dimension" happening in the real world outside of the island "dimension" (more on this later)

C] smokey knew Whidmore was there through some device or maybe even the lighthouse that whidmore was there and killed all the remaining passengers and so he sent sawyer over there to check if he would honor the deal, because I think smokey would rather have sawyer replace him then kate (read on)

D] smokey is turning kate against claire because he wants kate to prove that she is truly a bad person so she can take his place since he has to honor his deal with sawyer.

E] and you might be asking why would smokey honor the deal with sawyer? because smokey is also aware of this alternate "dimension" and also knows that if sawyer and any other returns to the real world they will inevitably run into their alternate selves and boom they die or blow up or just disappear. which is why they are playing so hard on this alternate "dimension"

why smokey wants off the island? I do not know still

Your theories are alittle different than most people on here. Welcome to the lost party.

sly wtf my number hasn't changed 541-550-0232

So, this was a pretty good episode. Not the massive story episode they led us to believe, but there were some things about the island and it's point revealed.

I'm pretty exhausted right now so this is all I'm gonna say at the time:

Glad they didn't stick with the island being Hell. But maybe its purgatory instead?

How the hell did Isabella's spirit get to the island?

We talked about the island being purgatory before and the plot made it all to easy to make smokey the devil and jacob well you know. Not surpising at all. The episode was good, i enjoyed it. Tired, bb tomorrow.

No, i dont think its hell or anything like that. For Smokey it is hell in a sense, but I think they kept saying that because they were dealing with a more "primitive" time period. I guess the big thing we learned is that essential, the island is a prison for smokey. That seems to be its underlying purpose, and basically everything that has happened in the show is to make sure he stays there.

Right, but couldn't that be purgatory still? Purgatory is a place where you wait and be judged for your sins and you either redeem yourself or end up going to hell. Couldn't keeping Smokey from leaving the island be their test? Richard begged the priest for forgiveness for the murder he committed and the priest told him he wouldn't give him absolution and that Richard would have to earn it himself through penance, but that he wouldn't live long enough for that to happen. Then Jacob brings Richard to the island and give him the "gift" of living "forever". Then Isabella shows up and tells Hurley that they have to stop Smokey from leaving or else they'll be going to Hell.