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I would think the same thing (that the island is purgatory) but the writers came right out and denied it from the very beginning. It was one of the first theories about the island ever since S1, actually. There are plenty of quotes from Lindelof and Abrams flat out denying it on several occasions over the years:
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When richard was still chained up and smokey was freeing him, I was kinda expecting smokey to say "my name is Jacob". Just to find out Richard had been fucked with all along. I am curious about the "pre-Richard" island people too, now. I am curious about these "choices" and wonder why they were all dead.
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I wonder how smokey lost his old body. When oceanic 815 crashed on the island did he still have the body we see back when Richard first arrived or had he already lost that body? And if he had already lost that body, then whose form did he take before Locke?
Maybe I'm forgetting something, but did we ever come to explanation for how people saw people who shouldn't have been on the island like walt - I can't remember if it was Hurley or someone else that saw walt at some point after he was off the island. Didn't we come to the conclusion that Smokey could only take the form of people who arrived on the island already dead? P.S. I'm at a computer lab on campus between classes and someone just farted really, really loud. I laughed. |
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What i think is, and i have come to the same conclusion long ago even tho they said it wasn't that the island is purgatory. Those that fail and die on the island go to hell(I could be wrong but i don't think i have seen a ghost of someone that actually died on the island, have we?). The spirits seen on the island are guides trying to keep their loved ones on the path to heaven(notice Richard about to give in and Isabella keeping him from doing that, with Hugo's help of course). Think about it, Jacob says we must keep the darkness on the island or else it will consume the world. So maybe that is the test of purgatory, notice throughout all stories many people go to hell but many few go to heaven. So maybe the person that takes Jacob's place is allowed passage to heaven. Or i could be totally wrong but this is how the show is currently protraying it. |
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So let me get this straight since Smokey used Richard. Was Isabella really Smokey when she looked alive on the island and tryed to help Richard? Then walked up the stairs of the boat and sounded like she met with a excruciating painfull dead. I'm guessing it had to be Smokey just trying to further convince Richard to kill Jacob cause Isabella was already dead. |
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Not sure how to explain the Isabella being on the island part.
I thought it was really interesting how Jacob first interacted with Richard. I felt like we were seeing a completely different person when he attacked Richard and then took him to the sea and attempted to drown him. It's almost like Richard turned Jacob into the peaceful person we came to know and that the Others followed. I think it's kind of cool to see that Jacob had never really thought of it the way Richard did when he says "If you don't, he will" when Jacob ask him "Why should I tell them what to do, that would defeat the purpose." Also this confirmed our suspicions that Jacob brought people to the island to show that people are not all corruptable, even though he had failed with everyone so far until Oceanic 815. I don't think that the island is related to hell at all, I believe it is exactly as Jacob described it: the thing stopping the darkness from overtaking the world. I believe it's a type of prison designed to hold smokey. Smokey calls it hell because that's what it is to him, and Richard thought it was hell initially because what else could spawn something as terrible as the black smoke. |
I don't think the island is hell, purgatory or anything of that nature. Although I'm not an expert I don't think you can drive a submarine, freighter, or anything else to either of these places.
My anger is growing by the episode. Maybe I'm just in a negative mindset to insulate myself from what I see as inevitable disappointment, but these episodes all feel like filler to me and not progress. This was what? The 9th episode before the finale? And we got to see Richard's past, but the first half hour did nothing to progress the storyline. |
Yep, I said the same thing to Melissa. It was nice to learn about Richard, but 80% of the episode, if not more, didn't do more for the overall story. They really are running out of time, unless they plan on really just rattling everything off in one episode.
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I decided at the beginning of the season with all the hype and expecting to much that i was just going to enjoy it even if i didn't enjoy it lol. I rather not be mad in the end and just enjoy the show for being addictive and just mostly enjoyable. |
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Im going with the sopranos ending
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Bout time Desmond is back. What sacrifice is Charles talking about?
So war is coming. So who is the package? Desmond? |
Yeah, Desmond is the package.
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Wishful thinking, but I was hoping the package was Walt/Aaron. Desmond makes sense though. With his "anomaly" status in island lore.
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Yeah DQ. I am sure it's desmond, but I thought of walt/aaron too.
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That was a terrible episode
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So Smokey showing his true colors when he says to Claire once we are clear of the island do with Kate as you want, who cares pretty much. We knew his agenda and his ways, but now that he is getting close to his goal he shows his evil side more and more. Seems like in the finale he is going to still be trapped and those he is recuiting that are still alive will be freed by the candidate winner(next Jacob). Or maybe they will or die in a firey death. |
Tonight's episode was super AWEOSME!
Desmond story/Faraday story owns. Bb tomorrow. |
Finally some awnsers. We know what this alternative story IS at least. Might not make sense for the overall story, but atleast we know what it is.
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When the episode first started out and desmonde passed out and went to the alternate timeline, I was pretty disappointed and thought it was going to just be another stupid episode. They did a good job with this one though and I'm excited once again. I like how many parallels they make - it's pretty crazy.
We learned quite a bit about the "lost family tree" so to speak, unless I just missed the whole charlie being whidmore's son, eloise being his wife, and daniel being his son as well. I wonder who penny's mom is or have we met her already at some point and she's just not important? So it seems that this alternate time line started after the nuke was set off which presents a fairly obvious question: is the fight on the island with Locke et al happening after Desmonde goes and tells everyone that they're living a lie or is it happening simultaneously and the two realities will converge with even more parallelism into either a single existence, the destruction of both, or the death of one. |
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charlie isn't widmoore's son, they just lead you on at first, until you find out its daniel.
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As I start to watch this episode about Hugo i start to cringe and wonder if it's even worth watching.
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not a bad episode. Quick point: are the people who are dead in world A seemingly the ones in world B who are remembering?
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My favorite part of the episode tonight was probably when that one bitch blew up right as she was about to tell them what the island actually is. Did anyone else think Desmonde was going to run down Locke? The way he was looking at him while Ben was talking just didn't seem right. I wonder if Desmonde doing that will have any impact on the timeline with the island. Remember a few seasons ago when Whidmore's ship came to the island with Farraday and co. and Desmonde and the doctor or someone were having those flashes where they were in a different place and their consicousness was shifting? I forgot all about that until this episode - did they ever explain what was happening to Desmonde after he "anchored" himself with Penny to stop it or did they just leave it at that? I have the feeling this is alternate timeline we're seeing this season is the same kind of thing and eventually that shift of consciousness will happen. |
I think that Desmond either ran down Locke to A) try and kill him, or B) try and get him into surgery/contact with Jack so that he could fix his spine or something which would trigger each of their memories.
I think that Sawyer and Kate are going to trigger each other too. Also did it seem to you guys like Jack seemed all of the sudden really afraid when he saw Smokey, and Smokey noticed that and smiled? |
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Wow, just caught up after missing last week's episode. Two really great episodes finally!
I loved the preview for next week's episode too, when they played Willy Wonka over the upcoming scenes: There's no earthly way of knowing / Which direction we are going / Not a speck of light is showing / So the danger must be growing / Are the fires of hell a-glowing? / Is the grisly reaper mowing? / Yes, the danger must be growing / And they're certainly not showing / Any signs that they are slowing! So perfect!! |
well, hurley and desmonde only remember after being told/coming in contract with two people who were dead in world A. Desmond met charlie and hurley met libby. Charlie and Libby were the ones who remembered first, and then told hurley and desmonde. Also, Daniel faraday remembered as well.
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Also when that chick exploded I died laughing. Jack has been acting differnet and I think it's because whatever has had to happen to him to make him "it" might have happened. I think that maybe when he saw Locke, he didn't see Locke. Locke recognized this and smiled realizing his was his new Jacob.
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I just realized that Desmond may have been trying to give Locke a near death experience like he and Charlie both had in order to give him his flash to the other reality.
BTW calling it right now, that limo driver for Widmore has some semi important role to play in all of this. |
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I missed the preview. I'm wondering if Desmond is dead from being tossed into the well. Looking forward to seeing what happens with Locke/Jack in B. I'd like to see if Faraday comes back into the mix and helps Desmond finish what he has started. Also looking forward to seeing what happens with the camps meeting up. Last two episodes were great. Can't wait to see next. |
How many episodes do we have left?
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Desmonde is alive.
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What about the Locke situation, i'm wondering what about if he does have that moment where he can see the memories of Locke on the island. Does Locke help Desmond fight Smokey or does Locke in world B become Smokey? Then Smokey in world B if so trys to kill Desmond there like in world A. Hmm.. |
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Probably so about the shifting. Now that you bring it up it is similar. Btw Richard also brought up tonight what the island actually is to Hugo, but we still don't know what it is. |
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