Yeah I thought it was pretty stupid that Richard went on about Jacob having told him what the island is, yet no one asked him to tell. You'd think they'd want to know, right?

We know what Jacob told him, he doesn't even truly know what that means.

I also thought it was laughable that Jack would sit there and not ask Hugo or Richard what the island was. Maybe he already knows? Because the change has happened.

My GF reads people.com and the day after every episode the interview the character who was the focus of current episode. I haven't read the interviews myself, but she told me that in Hurley's interview he said something to the effect of: They don't really lay all the answers out there until the last half of the series finale. .....punch me in the face

Jack said it himself in the episode, he's learning to let go and trust people instead of being in charge.

goddamn it

So it was no surpise when Smokey told Jack that he was in control of his father and probably everyone else.

So i didn't notice a preview for next week. Final is May 23rd. With 4 episodes left i think they are off next week.

So, they keep making it seem like whoever talks to Smokey is pretty much with him, but how is this true after those that are trying to escape him currently, and Claire, and Sayid. They do one thing and the rules change on the fly, expected. So i'm gonna go with Sayid let Desmond live and lied to Smoke.

Desmond is clearly too important for them to kill off like that. He's definitely still alive.

Maybe they meant 4 episodes until the finale? If that's the case, they're still on track for May 23 without interruption.

There is not a new episode next week, then 3 regular episodes and then a 2 hour finale.

Vayd said in an interview with Hugo he said we don't get any real answers until about halfway through the finale.

Also, apparently the episode on May 11th is going to be a focus on the relationship between smokey and jacob.

Also, the finale is on a Sunday? lamecore

Most important moment of tonight's show? Locke mumbling about the button when he was asleep after surgery. Not sure what it means exactly yet, but that's gotta be huge.

I like this whole part and I like how Jack is trying so hard to try and help Locke. On the island Locke was trying to help Jack.

Sayid told Jack about Desmond, this part will be interesting too cause you know Jack is gonna get him.

Sayid, Kwan's, lots of dead people this episode.

So Jack clearly knows that Smokey can't kill him, I wonder if this episode will help Jack convince the others of this.

Great episode.

Yep

I'm pretty sure the button Locke was mumbling about was just the button in the hatch Asano.

Yeah, that's my point. He should have no knowledge or memory of the button, the hatch, or anything else about the island in that timeline.

It's not that important, it just means he's going to have his flash soon when he sees images from the other reality. Or it means he's already had it when he got hit by Desmond.

Possibly big episode tonight. Hope it doesn't suck

2 or 3 + the finale left?

tonight, next week, and then the finale the week after

Hmmm.... not sure what to make of tonight's episode. I think it needed to be about twice as long. I hope they revisit that history before the series is over, because there's still much about the origins and nature of the tunnel, the smoke monster, the "mother", why MIB is "special", how the "mother" designed jacob and MIB so they couldn't hurt each other, etc to be explained.

yep. more questions again.

Weak, I thought Jacob and his bro were alive a lot longer before ships were invented.

So i begin to watch this episode I ask myself who is this older lady and why did she cave the young woman's head in. Going back just a minute as the young lady names Jacob i thought to myself name the next one now "come on, come on, name him Smokemonster".

So the lady playing the mother of Jacob/Smoke seems to pull of the strings of pushing Jacob towards good and Smoke towards evil right from the beginning. She also tells Smoke that he will never die.

So this lady tells the boys as they are walking towards something, away from the men, that men are bad and that she made it so the boys couldn't hurt each other. But as this happens i think to myself "but bitch you caved the young woman's head in".

So there is light coming from a cave and it needs to be protected or else the light will go out everywhere. One question, what about the sun(its a pretty good light source).

So as Smoke sees his mothers(Claudia) ghost, I think, I thought Smoke was controlling the ghosts. SigH.

So she tells Jacob "those people are bad" I need you to stay good. So from the beginning of lost there was always this thing about how the island people were good and everyone else is bad.

When she smashes Smoke on the wall I thought for sure he was going to stab her!

The part that drives me crazy is that these guardians of the island seem to want to be replaced. If the island is so good and everything else is bad why say thank you for allowing them to leave/pass on.

If she made it so that they can't hurt each other why does Jacob keep owning Smoke's face with a barrage of punches.

I SO CALLED IT THAT THOSE WERE THERE CORPSES, REMEMBER?

Great, here we go again with the questions.

It's not an actual light Yoox - it's figurative for something akin to the human soul. The "light" in the cave is the "light" inside of humans and if human greed tries to take the light it will end up snuffing out all light everywhere aka kill the human race.

You ever wonder how the mother was able to kill all those people and burn down their camp?

Maybe she also went into the light and was turned into smoke. Also, the light must be some sort of scientific anomaly. Just another instance of stupid people trying to rationalize something. Maybe Jacob and the fake mother are just delusional retards. Maybe the island is just some anomaly in the world and some random people stumbled upon it and thought of it as some sort of miraculous sacred thing.

Nah, probably not. Doesn't explain the whole seeing dead people thing.

Maybe it REALLY is some sort of sacred-magical god-like thang. WHO KNOWS YO?

Ya sux they aren't descended from mount olympus. I wonder if they are even before Richard at this point.

Did she smite them all down or what. They didn't answer any of it, but they didn't have to really. Cause Smoke killed her for it, she must of.

Nuch man lol.

never know with you!

The lady said that they couldn't hurt each other, but Jacob killed smokey by throwing him into the cave. His bones was proof. I'm so confused on this part. They made the whole story where Smokey had to use Ben to kill Jacob.

In a sense he didn't kill smokey, but I guess the question is did he turn into smokey because of the ladies "curse" or the light source. Remember smokey said Jacob took his body a long time ago.

Don't think it was the curse, it had to be cause of the light source. That's the part that isn't explained still. I mean Smoke's bones are with the lady's bones in the cave that Jack found. So what counts as dead for them? Cause when Ben killed Jacob his body is dead and Jacob isn't there(but, he's a ghost that Hugo can see), but Smokey is without his body? So was Smokey a ghost like Jacob is currently till he figured out how to control bodies (Locke)?

I was hoping they'd explain the origins of the ash, and why smokey can't cross it.

Have to love how the lady loves Smokey more than Jacob. When Smokey wants to leave the whole time. The secrets of the island are gonna be as bleh as the light in the tunnel. Just like how the mother only picked one name for a boy(Jacob), wasn't expecting another, so he never got a name. I know, I know, we said this from the beginning, but it's still a great show and a good watch.

actually yoox, look at it this way. Everyone at first thought the island is purgatory, and like Smokey said, for him, it IS. Think about it, he isn't dead, but he isn't alive. He sees other dead people and can look like them, but he can't be killed. He is in some kind of limbo. Like the lady said, a fate worse than death. We might find that smokey, can in fact never be killed, and for reasons unknown (hopefully just for now) he can never leave. So all that stuff about the island being his own personal hell is definitely true. They just might be making him look like not such a bad guy, but more tortured, but the end of all this, I don't know.

This is what I think. The light caused some sort of hybridization between it and Smokey, thus causing Smokey not needing his physical body and turning into smoke. The smoke can, obviously, turn into different physical forms.

So, Smokey never died. He just got fucked up with the light and now doesn't need his physical body because his body is now the smoke (which can mold into what looks like his old body).

Hmm, from that deduction...I now think that the fake mother couldn't be Smokey 1.0. I think when Smokey dies (if he does), he will just dissipate or some weird shit. I doubt his body will deteriorate similar to that of a real human--like the fake mother did (thus concluding that the fake mother didn't fuck up the camp as a smoke monster).

How the fuck did she fuck up up that mother fucking fuck camp?

OK, she obviously hinted that she knew of what would happen when someone goes into the light (turning into a smoke monster). So, if she didn't do it herself, someone else must have. Maybe there is somebody else who fucked up that camp for her.

Ugh, no--they won't introduce a totally new character now. I fucking hate this show.

Maybe I'm wrong about the whole body deterioration thing. Maybe Smokey will deteriorate into fucking bones thus making it plausible that fake mom was smokey 1.0. Who Knows.

Fuck. This. Show.

Holy shit, I got it.

Let's say if you go into the light without getting harmed (remember, Jacob hit Smokey in the head before hybridization, which may have killed him), you come out as a smoke monster + your original body (Smokey didn't because Jacob killed his human body). So, there's like TWO OF YOU! SO THERE WAS A FAKE MOTHER HUMAN AND A FAKE MOTHER SMOKE MONSTER.

I BET WE SEE THE FAKE MOTHER SMOKE MONSTER SOON (because Smokey only killed the fake mother human). OMG OMG I FIGURED THIS OUT.

Alright, that's ridiculous. Whatever. I give up. I'll just wait two weeks.

thats the dumbest shit i have ever heard.

Rofl!

I thought you guys would appreciate the comedic value.