(*Lost*)

[Onion]

"It only ends once, everything else is just progress" something like that Rufus

I have no idea who Jacob and Smokey are, but the idea that they have been here before etc etc seems to keep coming up. Except this time Jacob died.

I've always wondered if they were ever going to explain Walt, remember how he kind of appeared places and then was gone, I think that was more some sort of special ability not just the Other's ability to disappear unseen.

Also, Nuch, the DI keeps sending care packages because of the Swan, that guy that Desmond took over for was a part of the DI. They knew that they had to keep doing that or something bad would happen. Also, don't they mention somewhere why it wasn't automated?

[Nucholza]

See I kinda understand that line of thought Onion, but what I don't understand about that is then why did Desmonde NEVER exit the Swan and notice that there's all these new people on the island? They were there for something like 50 days I think before finding the Swan hatch and in all that time Desmonde never left the Swan at all and we know he's left before from the flashbacks with that other dude that was always leaving and made Desmonde stay behind.

I'm somewhat in the same line of thought that you are rufus, but I don't buy that the smoke monster is Aaron, but who knows could end up being right. I think Aaron might be the one who can kill the smoke monster, though. It seems to me that Jacob continually "brings" people to the island (the black rock, the french people with Russou, Oceanic 815) in an attempt to stop history from repeating itself. Which implies the island itself is caught in a time loop and Jacob/Smoke are the only constants on the islands. Its almost like a chess game that they're playing out over and over in attempt to find a way to stop it, which the smoke monster has finally figured out. My guess is that the chain of events he's started will cause the end of the world like you said, though.

What I"d like to know is if the smoke monster can leave the island like Jacob can. I don't think he can. I'm really not sure on all of this, but if I HAD to make a guess, its that Jacob really is watching over and protecting the island and the others have been the real good guys all along doing whatever it took to protect the island. Now the smoke monster has found away to circumvent Jacob's protection and will cause w/e destruction etc.

This is all a little hard to put into words so its all long and convoluted and I'm too lazy to make it nice and coherent.

[Nucholza]

Originally Posted by Onion

I've always wondered if they were ever going to explain Walt, remember how he kind of appeared places and then was gone, I think that was more some sort of special ability not just the Other's ability to disappear unseen.
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I don't think that it was actually Walt, but as always they could go that way. There's a lot of times people show up that shouldn't be there like Walt does (Christian for example). I think that's one of the only things the smoke monster can do to manipulate people, but then again it could be Jacob as well.

[DijonQ]

just got home from the bar...grain of salt...

It's pretty clear to me that Smokey can take the form and act as people who arrive on the island dead. The first I remember is Echo's brother who landed dead on the island fucking with Echo. Next we see Christian, who also landed dead and finally we see the, "loop hole," when he uses Locke to convince Ben to kill Jacob. This leads me to believe that in a future episode Hugo will see the smoke monster for what he is (since he really does 6th sense it) when Smokey is trying to trick the losties. I'm sure this is where the fat boy dies.

Another interesting thought is something that I saw on one of the recap shows that has the little blurbs that pop out on the bottom of the screen. In this version of last season's finale they make a big deal that Jacob touches some of the survivors (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke for sure) their flashbacks. They pointed out this touching multiple times. Lost is Lost, but this touch really seems to me like some type of future protection against Smokey, I bet we see Locke/Smokey unable to attack those that were touched. A past episode example of this would be in the episode where Echo died Smokey then turned on Locke, but mysteriously didn't fuck with him.

I can't really agree with all the Aaron/Walt back-stories playing in to the show's conclusion. It just fits in with my, "can't tie it all together," theory. The writers are in over their collective head's now and can't finish THIS seasons story lines much-less the entire series'.

I'm spent.

[Nucholza]

Eh, I guess Jacob could have put some protection on them, but I'd have to say it isn't against smokey, but more likely just from dying before they could help him protect the island from smokey. Also, the temple others said a couple times that they needed to stay in the temple and trust them because they would protect them.

I think a better answer for why smokey killed Echo and not Locke is that smokey knew he needed Locke to kill Jacob later. He only killed the people he needed to in order to get the losties on the right "destiny"