(*Lost*)

[Nucholza]

Originally Posted by rursusferre

For an episode that was going to "tell us everything" NOT A GODDAMN THING HAPPENED THE WHOLE FUCKING EPISODE

Maybe you didn't notice, but at the end of the episode in small print it said: "This episode brought to you by ELUNNE"

[Gogan]

Their previews have always been full of shit.

I thought it was one of the better episodes of the season, but, of course, the bar hasn't been set very high either. No questions answered, as usual, but at least stuff happened. Surprised to see Kate join Locke's posse, but it seems like she's just tagging along to see what happens.

Sadly, not a whole lot to talk about. Only 10 more episodes to go.

[rursusferre]

The only real thing that was confirmed was that everytime someone saw a dead friend/relative, it was the smoke monster.

[Yooxra]

Look at it this way, also take note that the same stuff is happening in the flash sideways that seem unavoidable for those going down the path of becoming bad. I guess you can say the same for those that have become good or netural.

Sayid for example in the flash sideways being forced to protect his brother's kids and the woman he loves. He trys to stay good and wash his hands, but he has no choice but to protect the ones he loves. He has no brotherly love from turning his brother down!

Kate is fighting to escape so it's alittle different for her you can say in the sideways. On the island she seems to be tagging along, Smokey doesn't get a chance to ask her to join or not, we have to assume for now that she did since she is along for the ride. So she is just trying to survive(same as in the sideways).

Jack and his son are on better terms in the flash sideways, Jacob seems to be pushing him along the path of the righteous(whatever that might be still)!

Hugo, he just seems netural in the whole series.

Dogen and his buddy the hippie die, this part is alittle confusing cause would this of ever happened if they just left Sayid alone(just the same as the sideways cause Sayid listened to her to not get involved till he was forced to). Dogen convinced Sayid that if he had any good in him he would strike Smokey down. Now i know that this was just a plot to get Sayid killed cause he is inevitablely going to be evil anyway it seems, but Sayid made the choice to strike Smokey down(if he had any good left in him). Seems like while it was just a trick to get him killed it had more meaning it to, cause Sayid's choice. One last thing Dogen has tryed to kill Smokey before it looks like, so is Smokey even killable? I'd assume so since Jacob is dead, is there some secret way of killing him? If so why since Jacob died so easy. So Sayid becomes evil in the end.

My question about Sayid is that Smokey seemed to know that Sayid would kill Dogen before he even striked the dagger into Smokey. Cause he didn't kill Sayid, Smokey doesn't seem to kill anyone that is one his side(or has darkness in them). So it was gonna happen either way cause Sayid was gonna become evil either way and Dogen was gonna do what he did either way cause to stay good they have to fight evil?

So for now we can break it up like this.

Good guys, Jack, Hugo, Jin?, Sun, Elana, Pilot dude, Ben?lol, Half the village(dead).

Bad guys, Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Kate?, half the village with Smokey now.

Maybes(undecided), Kate, Jin, Ben?(How can Ben be good I know lol).

I know i might of missed some for this list.

Another thing i don't understand is that Smokey chooses to leave some people alive that don't choose to join him out right. I wonder why, Richard for example, another example is Jin(possibly), another is Kate(maybe), there are others that i'm sure i can't think of right now.

Preview for next episode shows Smokey going after Ben and the preview claims Ben dies, so we will get to that later, but i assume Ben turns his offer down so he dies for it.

[Nucholza]

Originally Posted by Yooxra

Look at it this way, also take note that the same stuff is happening in the flash sideways that seem unavoidable for those going down the path of becoming bad. I guess you can say the same for those that have become good or netural.

That's a good point, didn't think about that.

Originally Posted by Yooxra

Kate is fighting to escape so it's alittle different for her you can say in the sideways. On the island she seems to be tagging along, Smokey doesn't get a chance to ask her to join or not, we have to assume for now that she did since she is along for the ride. So she is just trying to survive(same as in the sideways).

I don't know if she's just along for the ride as much as she's trying to absolve herself for taking Aaron from Claire.

Originally Posted by Yooxra

Jack and his son are on better terms in the flash sideways, Jacob seems to be pushing him along the path of the righteous(whatever that might be still)!

Does Jack even have a son in the normal timeline?

Originally Posted by Yooxra

One last thing Dogen has tryed to kill Smokey before it looks like, so is Smokey even killable? I'd assume so since Jacob is dead, is there some secret way of killing him? If so why since Jacob died so easy. So Sayid becomes evil in the end.

I don't think Dogen had tried to kill Smokey before. I remember Sayid saying something to him about how he's had two chances now to go and try to kill Smokey himself but both times he's attempted to get other people to do the job. Then later we find out that Dogen simply being alive is what is keeping Smokey from entering the temple. I don't think Dogen could kill Smokey if he wanted to and he's just a guardian for the only safe haven on the island that Jacob could create.

Originally Posted by Yooxra

My question about Sayid is that Smokey seemed to know that Sayid would kill Dogen before he even striked the dagger into Smokey. Cause he didn't kill Sayid, Smokey doesn't seem to kill anyone that is one his side(or has darkness in them). So it was gonna happen either way cause Sayid was gonna become evil either way and Dogen was gonna do what he did either way cause to stay good they have to fight evil?

Well, I think Smokey knew that Sayid could not refuse an offer to be reunited with Nadia. Also, remember how Dogen told Sayid that he had to strike Smokey before he could talk to Sayid? My guess would be that this is because Smokey would be able to complete whatever sickness Sayid has and fully take him over like he has Claire. Although, Sayid didn't seem as far gone as Claire in the aftermath even though he did kill Dogen / Hippie bitch.

[Yooxra]

Originally Posted by Nucholza

I don't know if she's just along for the ride as much as she's trying to absolve herself for taking Aaron from Claire.

Yeah i agree i think she is trying to absolve herself about Aaron with Claire. I thought she took Aaron because she thought Claire was dead at that point or gone. I mean the baby was left alone remember? Was there really a choice to leave the baby alone. So Kate decides after the three years that she wants to find Claire all of a sudden? That is why she came back to the island right? I'm alittle fuzzy on this part.

Originally Posted by Nucholza

Does Jack even have a son in the normal timeline?

I don't think he does.

Originally Posted by Nucholza

I don't think Dogen had tried to kill Smokey before. I remember Sayid saying something to him about how he's had two chances now to go and try to kill Smokey himself but both times he's attempted to get other people to do the job. Then later we find out that Dogen simply being alive is what is keeping Smokey from entering the temple. I don't think Dogen could kill Smokey if he wanted to and he's just a guardian for the only safe haven on the island that Jacob could create.

Himself no, but he did have someone else before Sayid to try and kill him. Smokey told Sayid that. Weither Dogen could kill Smokey or not, who knows, maybe he is a guardian or something(kinda like Richard that have to follow certain rules?). Dogen didn't finish off Sayid himself either, also Dogen tryed to get Jack to kill Sayid with the pill, so Dogen is just trying to get others to do his dirty work for him(weither he can do it himself or not). Sayid realized that he wouldn't do his own dirty work became angry and killed him(maybe he thought Dogen was a coward or whatever other reason).

Originally Posted by Nucholza

Well, I think Smokey knew that Sayid could not refuse an offer to be reunited with Nadia. Also, remember how Dogen told Sayid that he had to strike Smokey before he could talk to Sayid? My guess would be that this is because Smokey would be able to complete whatever sickness Sayid has and fully take him over like he has Claire. Although, Sayid didn't seem as far gone as Claire in the aftermath even though he did kill Dogen / Hippie bitch.

Smokey is very clever and getting lots of them to follow his path. While Sayid didn't seem as far gone yet(cause the darkness needed time to get to his heart then he would be fully gone) at the end of the episode him smiling like that has to mean he's in league with Smokey now. Dogen just told Sayid to strike Smokey before he could talk cause he figured that Smokey would kill Sayid outright i believe and save him the trouble of dealing with another one of Smokey's eventual goons.

So, this seems very much that fate is unavoidable cause the flash sideways every thing is happening the same or close to.

[Nucholza]

Originally Posted by Yooxra

Yeah i agree i think she is trying to absolve herself about Aaron with Claire. I thought she took Aaron because she thought Claire was dead at that point or gone. I mean the baby was left alone remember? Was there really a choice to leave the baby alone. So Kate decides after the three years that she wants to find Claire all of a sudden? That is why she came back to the island right? I'm alittle fuzzy on this part.

Well, they didn't have a choice in taking Aaron or not, but Kate made the choice to raise him rather than give him to Claire's mom. She kept Aaron a secret from any of his real family. Also she waited 3 years before deciding to try and find Claire instead of going after her sooner.

Originally Posted by Yooxra

Dogen didn't finish off Sayid himself either

The baseball dropping from the table right as Dogen is about to kill Sayid is probably very significant to why he didn't kill Sayid himself. My guess would be the baseball was his son's and for some reason seeing it drop made him think twice about killing.

Originally Posted by Yooxra

Sayid realized that he wouldn't do his own dirty work became angry and killed him(maybe he thought Dogen was a coward or whatever other reason).

Is that why Sayid killed him? Seems to me the reason Sayid killed him is because Smokey asked him to after delivering the message. Dogen was what kept Smokey out of the temple so he needed Sayid to kill Dogen for him or he couldn't keep his promise of killing everyone that wouldn't come with him after sundown.

[rursusferre]

In general yoox, I feel Richard needs his own episode atleast. There is alot left with him, and he has all but disappeared recently. I also think Kate is not in the smokey camp as well. I am curious if ben is going to have some redemption before he dies. We'll see.

[Yooxra]

Originally Posted by rursusferre

In general yoox, I feel Richard needs his own episode atleast. There is alot left with him, and he has all but disappeared recently. I also think Kate is not in the smokey camp as well. I am curious if ben is going to have some redemption before he dies. We'll see.

I agree for sure they better give Richard justice of an episode(he has been one of my favorite characters along with Faraday). I wonder where Richard did run off to, since there is no safespots now that the temple is gone or is there? Then again can Smokey kill Richard or not? I mean Smokey did neck chop him pretty good, it's still so unclear.

I have to admit that i was alittle disapointed when the preview for next week just shows Ben's demise. He was so much of a ringleader for so long that he has just become a pawn. I mean i hated Ben for a while and he's alittle mo for killing Locke, but it just doesn't seem right just offing him now.

[rursusferre]

So my girlfriend read me some stuff after a discussion about how much the episode last night sucked.

Going with my Aaron = smoke monster theory: Apparently during the first season Claire gets a fortune teller to read her fortune. She tells claire its of the most utmost importance that she raises her son, no one else. Nothing concrete, but its something.

Also, someone wrote about how the others worked so hard to capture walt, then seemed to let him go so easily and let him off the island. What if they are looking for someone's son. They don't know who, but they know the person is someone's son. Seems to be something similiar with Jack, they keep putting importance on the fact he is christian's son. But what if Christian isn't important himself as much as he is a man who has been to the island and has had a son. Again, nothing concrete, but there seems to be these themes of the "prodigal son" alot on Lost. What if Aaron is supposed to be some savior. Kinda of a long shot, and it would add one more thing to the list of Lost plotlines, but I don't put it past them. The smoke monster seems to have a liking of claire. I am sure she has no idea, but what if he does.