(*Lost*)

[Yooxra]

Originally Posted by Nucholza

I'm pretty exhausted right now so this is all I'm gonna say at the time:

Glad they didn't stick with the island being Hell. But maybe its purgatory instead?

How the hell did Isabella's spirit get to the island?

We talked about the island being purgatory before and the plot made it all to easy to make smokey the devil and jacob well you know. Not surpising at all. The episode was good, i enjoyed it. Tired, bb tomorrow.

[rursusferre]

No, i dont think its hell or anything like that. For Smokey it is hell in a sense, but I think they kept saying that because they were dealing with a more "primitive" time period. I guess the big thing we learned is that essential, the island is a prison for smokey. That seems to be its underlying purpose, and basically everything that has happened in the show is to make sure he stays there.

[Nucholza]

Originally Posted by rursusferre

No, i dont think its hell or anything like that. For Smokey it is hell in a sense, but I think they kept saying that because they were dealing with a more "primitive" time period. I guess the big thing we learned is that essential, the island is a prison for smokey. That seems to be its underlying purpose, and basically everything that has happened in the show is to make sure he stays there.

Right, but couldn't that be purgatory still? Purgatory is a place where you wait and be judged for your sins and you either redeem yourself or end up going to hell. Couldn't keeping Smokey from leaving the island be their test? Richard begged the priest for forgiveness for the murder he committed and the priest told him he wouldn't give him absolution and that Richard would have to earn it himself through penance, but that he wouldn't live long enough for that to happen. Then Jacob brings Richard to the island and give him the "gift" of living "forever". Then Isabella shows up and tells Hurley that they have to stop Smokey from leaving or else they'll be going to Hell.

[Yooxra]

Originally Posted by Nucholza

Right, but couldn't that be purgatory still? Purgatory is a place where you wait and be judged for your sins and you either redeem yourself or end up going to hell. Couldn't keeping Smokey from leaving the island be their test? Richard begged the priest for forgiveness for the murder he committed and the priest told him he wouldn't give him absolution and that Richard would have to earn it himself through penance, but that he wouldn't live long enough for that to happen. Then Jacob brings Richard to the island and give him the "gift" of living "forever". Then Isabella shows up and tells Hurley that they have to stop Smokey from leaving or else they'll be going to Hell.

Jacob did say to Richard that "whatever you did before doesn't matter, what you do from this point on does".

What i think is, and i have come to the same conclusion long ago even tho they said it wasn't that the island is purgatory. Those that fail and die on the island go to hell(I could be wrong but i don't think i have seen a ghost of someone that actually died on the island, have we?). The spirits seen on the island are guides trying to keep their loved ones on the path to heaven(notice Richard about to give in and Isabella keeping him from doing that, with Hugo's help of course). Think about it, Jacob says we must keep the darkness on the island or else it will consume the world. So maybe that is the test of purgatory, notice throughout all stories many people go to hell but many few go to heaven. So maybe the person that takes Jacob's place is allowed passage to heaven. Or i could be totally wrong but this is how the show is currently protraying it.

[Gogan]

I would think the same thing (that the island is purgatory) but the writers came right out and denied it from the very beginning. It was one of the first theories about the island ever since S1, actually. There are plenty of quotes from Lindelof and Abrams flat out denying it on several occasions over the years:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Purg...ebunked_theory)
http://www.losttvfans.com/page/Purgatory

[rursusferre]

When richard was still chained up and smokey was freeing him, I was kinda expecting smokey to say "my name is Jacob". Just to find out Richard had been fucked with all along. I am curious about the "pre-Richard" island people too, now. I am curious about these "choices" and wonder why they were all dead.

[Nucholza]

I wonder how smokey lost his old body. When oceanic 815 crashed on the island did he still have the body we see back when Richard first arrived or had he already lost that body? And if he had already lost that body, then whose form did he take before Locke?

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but did we ever come to explanation for how people saw people who shouldn't have been on the island like walt - I can't remember if it was Hurley or someone else that saw walt at some point after he was off the island. Didn't we come to the conclusion that Smokey could only take the form of people who arrived on the island already dead?

P.S. I'm at a computer lab on campus between classes and someone just farted really, really loud. I laughed.

[Yooxra]

Originally Posted by Nucholza

I wonder how smokey lost his old body. When oceanic 815 crashed on the island did he still have the body we see back when Richard first arrived or had he already lost that body? And if he had already lost that body, then whose form did he take before Locke?

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but did we ever come to explanation for how people saw people who shouldn't have been on the island like walt - I can't remember if it was Hurley or someone else that saw walt at some point after he was off the island. Didn't we come to the conclusion that Smokey could only take the form of people who arrived on the island already dead?

P.S. I'm at a computer lab on campus between classes and someone just farted really, really loud. I laughed.

I'm alittle confused too about the Smokey body snatching changing thing cause of what happened on the boat with Isabella.

[Yooxra]

Originally Posted by rursusferre

When richard was still chained up and smokey was freeing him, I was kinda expecting smokey to say "my name is Jacob". Just to find out Richard had been fucked with all along. I am curious about the "pre-Richard" island people too, now. I am curious about these "choices" and wonder why they were all dead.

The only reason that Smokey didn't kill Richard also is cause he used him in his first attempt to have Jacob killed.

So let me get this straight since Smokey used Richard. Was Isabella really Smokey when she looked alive on the island and tryed to help Richard? Then walked up the stairs of the boat and sounded like she met with a excruciating painfull dead. I'm guessing it had to be Smokey just trying to further convince Richard to kill Jacob cause Isabella was already dead.

[Onion]

Not sure how to explain the Isabella being on the island part.

I thought it was really interesting how Jacob first interacted with Richard. I felt like we were seeing a completely different person when he attacked Richard and then took him to the sea and attempted to drown him. It's almost like Richard turned Jacob into the peaceful person we came to know and that the Others followed.

I think it's kind of cool to see that Jacob had never really thought of it the way Richard did when he says "If you don't, he will" when Jacob ask him "Why should I tell them what to do, that would defeat the purpose."

Also this confirmed our suspicions that Jacob brought people to the island to show that people are not all corruptable, even though he had failed with everyone so far until Oceanic 815.

I don't think that the island is related to hell at all, I believe it is exactly as Jacob described it: the thing stopping the darkness from overtaking the world. I believe it's a type of prison designed to hold smokey. Smokey calls it hell because that's what it is to him, and Richard thought it was hell initially because what else could spawn something as terrible as the black smoke.